Running away from the truth
I recently visited this site called "TurnYourBackOnBush.org". Go look at it. Its pure propaganda. There are no real issues presented on the site. Nothing they stand for. Nothing helpful. It only serves to gather people together to express their collective hatred for Bush. Their hope was to stage a massive protest at the inauguration by turning their backs on the president when he's sworn into office, again. :
I wrote a letter and sent it to every email listed on their site. Here is my email:
> What sore loosers you are. Bush was re-elected by a majority of
> Americans. Such a majority that Kerry conceded because a recount would
> not change the results. So you represent a minority. One who is well
> represented through every phacet of the music industry and popular media.
> You're not being oppressed, you're being outvoted.
> When Clinton was re-elected to a second term I was disappointed, but didnt
> attempt massive protests. While you might be making a statement, you are
> proving little aside from your dislike for the president. Expressing
> dislike will not make ANY impact on his agenda. You're uniting under
> HATRED of Bush. I'd have respect for you if you outlined specific issues
> you stood for, but you dont care about issues. You just want to
> demonstrate mass disgust for the president. This helps no agendas or
> movements but rather is the act of sore loosers who want to express
> disdain at the outcome of the presidential election.
I recieved two replies to this email after sending it to over 50 'organizers'. Here is the first reply:
> You are correct in your assessment, all we want to do is show our disgust
> for Mr Bush.
This girl was honest, so for that I respect her. The 2nd reply, however, proves to me just how pathetic this group is. Its obviously something pre-written that she sends to every person who disagrees with her, with a few additions to make fun of my grammar...
> Dear Mr. Hatfield,
> For the first time in the history of our country the exit voting polls were wrong!
> By the way, in Germany, all votes are counted by hand and take several weeks to
> complete so Germany uses exit polls to proclaim the winner that night of the
> election. The exit polls there have never been off by more than 0.1%. The exit polls
> in this country proclaimed John Kerry the winner of the presidential race. There
> were several irregularities in the 2004 election in Ohio, New Mexico, and Florida
> including minorities having to wait several hours in line in the rain while
> Republican polling places had an excess of voting machines, voter suppression,
> and intimidation.
> You say I should work in the election for the Democrats; well, I did here in Maine
> as a delegate to the Democratic convention, as a get out the vote volunteer going
> house-to-house discussing issues - not my "hatred" of George W. Bush, and getting
> people rides to the polls. In Maine, we had record voter turnout, and Kerry won.
> The issues I discussed about George W. Bush include the following:
> Tax cuts for millionaires: Middle class America need tax cuts, not millionaires;
> George W. Bush has never even been to a grocery store let alone have any
> understanding of what it's like to be a working man with children to support.
> The Illegal War in Iraq: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11; they were mostly all
> Arabs. The reason we are in Iraq is OIL; the US is way too dependent on OIL and
> needs to find alternative energy sources, not invade Iraq where 60% of the civilians
> are under 14 years of age. According to the British medical journal, The Lancet, we
> have killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi citizens - 60,000 under the age of 14.
> Besides that, we have killed over 1200 of our own sons and daughters and God only
> knows how many more are permanently maimed and/or severely injured. Bush said first
> he was invading Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction, but there is lots of
> evidence that he KNEW there was none of those. Then it was because Saddam was such a
> bad guy; he was a bad guy, but there are lots of bad guys - dictators and worse -
> doing business in the world today, but Bush did not invade them because they have no
> Now Iraq has become a training ground for more and more terrorists who have come
> from all over the world to kill the Americans who illegally invaded a sovereign
> country - Iraq.
> A Colossal Deficit: George W. Bush inherited a record surplus yet he has squandered
> that into a record deficit with his taxcuts to millionaires and his illegal war. I
> don't know if you have children, but my children, grandchildren, and their
> grandchildren will be paying that back forever. I have always thought that
> Republicans were conservative - they didn't spend what they didn't have - at least
> when I was a Republican, that was the philosophy . I can think of better ways to
> spend all these trillions of dollars such as education, universal single-payer
> health care, development of alternative energy sources, funding the unfunded
> Homeland Security, proper equipment for our soldiers if they have to be there in
> Iraq, repair of our deteriorating infrastructure - electrical grids, roads, etc.,
> and so on. Instead, George's buddies in Halliburton and other large corporations use
> our hard-earned tax money in no-bid contracts to destroy Iraq, the cradle of
> civilization, the Bible says.
> Women's Rights: George W. Bush warns that he will resubmit the names of the
> right-wing judicial nominees that were turned down by the Congress. These nominees
> are against a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body. Abortion should
> be the last resort for birth control, in my opinion, but if the right of abortion is
> taken away, illegal abortion will still be available and extremely dangerous.
> Gay Rights: I'm sure you would not want the government interfering with what you do
> in your bedroom. Gays do not choose to be gay; they just are gay, and it is none of
> our business what they do.
> The Environment: As a registered nurse living here in Maine, I see the effects of
> the bad air brought here by the jetstream from the coal plants and other pollution -
> children who cannot breathe from asthma. Children and adults die from asthma every
> day here in Maine. George W. Bush continues to soften the environmental laws that
> have taken years to develop. He has done nothing to find alternative energy souces
> but is gouging us here in our unwealthy state with record gas and fuel oil prices
> driving up the cost of food and just getting to work, but then he has no clue what
> it's like for the average American to have to work to support a family.
> Stem Cell Research: As a nurse, I know how much suffering could be relieved and
> productivity gained with more stem cell research in areas such as Alzheimers
> Disease, Parkinson's Disease, and paralysis. George W. Bush is against the science
> of stem cell research.
> Besides that, I assume you mean losers not loosers and facet and not phacet. If you
> are interested, go to www.projectforanewamericancentury.org and check out the
> Principles and who signed them in 1994ish; you will see what Bush and his cronies
> have in mind for all of us, and if that's what you want then you deserve the
> President you voted for.
> Judith Hopkins, RN
> Maine - a blue state
> God Help America!
After reading this I was wondering just how much this woman cares about the truth. I wrote her a pretty decent reply, which is below. In retrospect I think I should have cited the fact that the organization incharge of doing the exit polls has admitted the horrible inaccuracies and has cited two major reasons for this:
1. a vast majority of the pollsters were very young (under 35) and inexperienced
2. government officials in MANY many areas did not allow pollsters to stay close to voting areas, allowing many people to leave the polls without getting their talleys
The exit polls are just that, exit polls. I wasnt asked about my vote, and neither was 75% of this country. Here's my wonderful reply:
Judy, thank you for writting me back. You are only the 2nd person to reply after I emailed each person involved in your project. Thats alot of emails to get no replies from. Feel free to poke fun at my incorrect spelling and piss poor grammar. I'm the product of the defunct public education system that Bush is fixing.
I think you need to take a look at your site again. Turnyourbackonbush.org stands only to proclaim disapproval of the president. There are no agendas put forward, nothing possitive, just disdain. Its pathetic to see people involved in such a movement. It would be different if all of the causes you listed in your letter were also on the site, but they are not. The site serves just to express disapproval for Bush. He is not going to step down because you dont like him, nor will he change his agenda.
Tax cuts for millionaires: Middle class America need tax cuts, not millionaires; George W. Bush has never even been to a grocery store let alone have any understanding of what it's like to be a working man with children to support.
I'm suprised people continue to use this argument. Bush gave taxcuts to all brackets, not just the rich. Irregularities existed in the previous tax system which caused people of a certain upperclass bracket to pay more than a third of their income. Its rediculous. Someone succeeds in this awesome country and instead of being able to reap the benefits, they are forced to give up a third of their income in order for the government to fund all sorts of projects. A third of a person's income is the max allowed under the Bush tax cut, and I still find it offensive that its that high of a percentage. I'm middleclass and have had to work for it. I got a tax cut, same as my brother who is a construction worker and what you would consider lower class. Bush's taxes were an excellent move. The only people who disapprove of the cuts are those who support big government program expansions. Where will we get the money? Rather than tax everyone, we'll just tax the the wealthy. Afterall, they're wealthy. Its not like its their money or anything. I know they worked for it and earned it, but we should be entitled to a third of their income. Right?
As far as the war in Iraq goes, we are fighting terrorists. We arent fighting a resistance built because of invasion, we are fighting terrorists who are suiciding bombing us and who are holding people for ransom. We went to war based on a search for WMDs. We havent found any. The concept of WMDs is not something Bush madeup in order to invade the country. The concept that Iraq had WMDs was something presented by the intelligence organizations of France, Russia, UK, Spain and a host of other countries. All of them believed Saddam had WMDs and that he had violated the UN resolutions. Some of those nations joined us in our war efforts against Saddam, others have not. We can argue all day about it, but Bush did the best he could with the information he was given. You need to throw some of the blame on the other countries who presented these false reasons for war.
As far as the deficit goes right now it is the one area I would happen to agree with you on, but thankfully Bush has trimmed back government programs so that they cost less to fund. In turn this takes less of a toll on our citizens and allowing us to fix the deficit much quicker. Your democratic presidential candidate would have started programs much larger than what Bush has begun. Spend heavy, tax heavy. Thats the moto of the Dems. Bush spends where it is necessary, and cuts back rediculous programs, and has fixed tax bracket irregularities. Need I remind you that when Bush came to the whitehouse we were in the Clinton recession, which had been on a steady decline for 8 months prior to Bush's arrival. He turned the country around and the benefits of his efforts will be seen 2-3 years from now. Clinton took the credit for the excellent economy when Bush Sr. had done the work that caused such excellent economic growth. In the same way George W. is inhereting the piss poor national state caused by Clinton's 2nd term efforts.
Abortion is something that should only be allowed if the mother's life is in danger. Aside from that there is no cause for abortion. My girlfriend is a 'bastard child'. Her mother had her at age 17 and put her up for adoption. A child born of rape is just as valuable as a child born into a traditional family. I honestly have no respect for anyone who supports abortion. You might also note that voting among women was UP last election, and for Bush. Married women as well as single women stood up and proclaimed the pro-life agenda.
Gay Rights: I'm sure you would not want the government interfering with what you do in your bedroom. Gays do not choose to be gay; they just are gay, and it is none of our business what they do.
Right you are, but the government is not interfering with what homosexuals do in their bedrooms. The government regulates how money is spent and what benefits people get. A girl at my work is stanchly against me on most issues and she engaged me on this for shits and giggles. She attempted to say that now if a gay couple has a dispute he/she will not be able to put a restraining order on a violent spouse. Damn right! Cause he/she is not a spouse, he/she is a partner. And it DOES NOT mean that they cant put restraining orders on their partners, it just means its not marriage. Mick Jagger has plenty of restraining orders out on fans. He's not married to any of his fans. Its not a 'spousal' restraining order. Has nothing to do with marriage. My point? The homosexual agenda is to seek normality. That is to say, homosexuals want their lifestyle to be confirmed and accepted. Unfortunately most school children know that men and women go together, and that men and men or women and women would be something tabboo, and not the norm.
The Environment: As a registered nurse living here in Maine, I see the effects of the bad air brought here by the jetstream from the coal plants and other pollution - children who cannot breathe from asthma. Children and adults die from asthma every day here in Maine. George W. Bush continues to soften the environmental laws that have taken years to develop. He has done nothing to find alternative energy souces but is gouging us here in our unwealthy state with record gas and fuel oil prices driving up the cost of food and just getting to work, but then he has no clue what it's like for the average American to have to work to support a family.
He tried to drill up in the wastelands but environmentalists wouldnt let him. That would have lowered fuel costs and given lots of americans jobs here in our own country. American fuel, what a concept. But I guess everyone would rather we buy from the middleeast than tear down a few trees and make a conduit. He also put in to act the clean air act recently, and is working at reducing polution. That headline was pretty understated by the media. 4th down on google news a while back. Suprised more people werent pleased with this.
Stem Cell Research: As a nurse, I know how much suffering could be relieved and productivity gained with more stem cell research in areas such as Alzheimers Disease, Parkinson's Disease, and paralysis. George W. Bush is against the science of stem cell research.
Stem cell research is rediculous. More progress has been made with adult stem research than stem cells. The only reason stem cell research is a big deal is for cloning, which most people seem to appose for obvious reasons. Adult stem cell research could achieve the SAME cures, but is not being furthered because it has less to do with cloning, and more to do with growing active living tissue.
Bush has done great things for this country. No Child Left Behind is finally putting accountability on the teachers, and not just letting kids continually be stuck in a failing education system. If people have the money for it, they always put their children in a private school. Why is this? Because the american school system is a downward spiral. Thank God for his efforts at fixing this. Bush is pro life, and I'm glad for that.
I voted for a leader who stands for something. Who doesnt look at the polls in order to sway his decisions to the popular vote. You may get a kick out of turning your back on Bush but I'm proud to be a citizen with him in the command seat. He's a leader, which is more than I can say for Kerry. Your democratic candidate supported the war, then was against it. He used to be pro life, but when he began campaigning for the presidency he suddenly became pro abortion. He has been on both sides of the isle on every issue, and everyone knows it. Bush, on the other hand, is the same man he was when governing Texas. He doesnt falter. He's a leader. Kerry has voted against almost every taxcut proposed and for every tax increase. Classic democrat. Spend spend spend. Tax tax tax. Suppport the left wing agenda. Try to make left the norm. Kerry is/was the most politically and morally pliable presidential candidate of all time. Hipocrisy being the theme, he wins.
I'm proud to support a candidate who stands for what I believe in and refuses to sacrifice his core values. Bush is a leader, which is more than I can say for Kerry.
After this letter I then recieved a very detailed reply...
> Drake, As I said before, God Help America! Judy
This is the BIGGEST copout answer I've ever recieved in my life. I dont putup with this crap so I wrote her back AGAIN.
You are willing to write several pages worth of a reply to my letter yet are only able to write a single line worth of text to my reply?
She replied again, with even more detail...
I feel sorry for you because you have been conned to vote against your best interests. Every one of your points can easily be refuted, but it's quite obvious that you didn't read my letter thoughtfully, and I have lots of work to do. I am sure that history will consider bush the worst president in the history of our country for the reasons I stated and many more. Let me tell you since I retired, my stock has shrunk by one-third, and he wants to privatize social security. Do you think you will benefit from that or will his rich corporate friends? I think we should agree to disagree and leave it at that.
God help America!
After this insulting copout letter ("I have lots of work to do") I sent a final letter which I think is smashingly awesome...
Judy, I destroyed every point in your letter using sound logic. You took the time to write me a very lengthy reply which I read in full, and then replied to with solid reasoning. But rather than refute my points you'd rather just agree to disagree. You cant hold your own in a discussion so would rather storm out of a room than hold your ground. I have not been conned, but rather vote with strong convictions for issues that matter to me.
History will be much kinder to Bush than you or your friends in the media. He is revamping the american education system, installing democracy in the heart of the single most troubled area of the entire world, and is protecting the traditional family (man + woman = marriage). He's an excellent president who has reduced taxes for everyone, and has cut back many worthless programs created by democrats and other left wing politians. He has reduced the total cost of our government structure to a fraction of what it was prior to his arrival. Our deficit will disappear very quickly with such low running costs for our government.
JOHN KERRY LOST THE ELECTION. You cited all the fraud and intimidation to the democratic voters but somehow managed to overlook the tens of thousands of votes for Kerry that were found on voting machines in Pennsylvania and other states. Democratic supporters FORGED 10,000+ votes for your candidate, and you'd rather bitch about the couple hundred people who had to wait a little while longer in their neighborhood. Your argument isnt with the voting system, but with the american people.
Kerry is a scumbag. He's been for and against every major issue that you claim he stands for. He used to be pro-life, now is "pro-choice". He has said we should spend as much as necessary on the war in Iraq, now says its a waste of money and resources. Your presidential candidate was and still is a spineless hipocrit. The only time I have thought well of Kerry was at his concession, which was done with much grace and was genuinely impressive. John Edwards, on the other hand, has never once been graceful. He's full of such hatred and disdain its hard to find anything possitive in his speech.
You can continue to use Bush as your own personal scapegoat for every issue in the book, but I would encourage you to read the facts and stop being swayed by angry lib/dems.
Its been fun.
btw, abortion is murder, not a women's rights issue
Why did I post all of this? Because I needed to vent, and livejournal serves that purpose for me. I'm tired of ignorant people trying to convince the world that they represent 'most Americans'. Some of her arguments were valid but she refuses to accept the truth on so many levels that she destroys herself in her on writings. When she mentions homosexuality and comments on it, she presents no specific issues, but rather states that the government is trying to control what people do in their bedroom. This is completely UNTRUE. The government attempts to control how marriage is recognized, and states can choose differently, and are.
I guess what I really have a problem with is contradiction. She grieves for soldiers dying in Iraq but does not grieve for the unborn children who are killed by their mothers because the child is "inconvenient" or because they are "poor". My grandfather grew up poor. His father left his mother when he was 5, and his mother took care of 4 children living in a one bedroom house. He grew up poor and aspired to great things. If my grandmother had aborted her children simply because she was poor I would not be here today.
I am sickened by the supposed 'morality' of the left wing. Their ignorance on stem cell research, abortion, taxes, big government, social security, welfare, and a host of other issues are what disgusts me.
JUDY, IF YOU EVER READ THIS I HAVE ONE SOMETHING TO TELL YOU:
THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR WELLBEING!